Empoleon vs Greninja
Empoleon and Greninja have the same base stat total (530), Greninja is faster (base Speed 122 vs 60), and neither has a super-effective hit from its own types (Empoleon: ½× at best against Greninja; Greninja: 1× at best against Empoleon).
Water-type starter finals from Kalos and Sinnoh.
Base stats side by side
| Stat | Empoleon | Greninja |
|---|---|---|
| HP | 84 (higher) | 72 |
| Attack | 86 | 95 (higher) |
| Defense | 88 (higher) | 67 |
| Sp. Atk | 111 (higher) | 103 |
| Sp. Def | 101 (higher) | 71 |
| Speed | 60 | 122 (higher) |
| Total | 530 | 530 |
| Bulk | 273 (higher) | 210 |
Who has the edge?
Greninja is faster (122 vs 60 base Speed), has the higher Attack (95 vs 86), and resists Empoleon’s own-type moves (½× at best), but Empoleon has the higher Sp. Atk (111 vs 103) and has more bulk, counting HP, Defense and Sp. Def together (273 vs 210).
Empoleon is ahead on
- has the higher Sp. Atk (111 vs 103)
- has more bulk, counting HP, Defense and Sp. Def together (273 vs 210)
Greninja is ahead on
- is faster (122 vs 60 base Speed)
- has the higher Attack (95 vs 86)
- resists Empoleon’s own-type moves (½× at best)
This compares base numbers and the type chart; it does not predict a winner. A real battle also depends on level, nature and EVs, the moves each one knows (a Pokémon does not always learn a move of its own type), held items, weather and terrain, and abilities (Empoleon: Torrent, Competitive; Greninja: Torrent, Protean), so either one can come out ahead.
Who moves first?
At Level 50 with 252 Speed EVs, 31 IVs and a neutral nature, Empoleon has 112 Speed and Greninja has 174, so Greninja moves first when both use moves of the same priority and no item, ability, status or stat change gets in the way.
| Speed | Empoleon | Greninja |
|---|---|---|
| Base Speed | 60 | 122 |
| Level 50, 252 EVs, neutral nature | 112 | 174 |
Type matchup, both ways
Empoleon (Water/Steel) attacking Greninja
Water ½×, Steel ½×. Using only its own types, Empoleon hits Greninja for ½× with Water moves (not very effective) and ½× with Steel moves (not very effective).
Greninja (Water/Dark) attacking Empoleon
Water ½×, Dark 1×. Using only its own types, Greninja hits Empoleon for ½× with Water moves (not very effective) and 1× with Dark moves (normal damage).
What hits each one for 2× or more
- Empoleon: Electric 2× (super effective), Fighting 2× (super effective), Ground 2× (super effective).
- Greninja: Electric 2× (super effective), Grass 2× (super effective), Fighting 2× (super effective), Bug 2× (super effective), Fairy 2× (super effective).
The multipliers come from the 18×18 type chart; what a Pokémon can actually use depends on the moves it learns.
Abilities
Empoleon
- Torrent. Strengthens Water moves to inflict 1.5× damage at 1/3 max HP or less.
- Competitive (hidden ability). Raises Special Attack by two stages upon having any stat lowered.
Greninja
- Torrent. Strengthens Water moves to inflict 1.5× damage at 1/3 max HP or less.
- Protean (hidden ability). Changes the bearer's type to match each move it uses.
Size, generation and evolution
Empoleon is taller (1.7 m vs 1.5 m for Greninja), and Empoleon is heavier (84.5 kg vs 40 kg for Greninja).
| Detail | Empoleon | Greninja |
|---|---|---|
| Height | 1.7 m | 1.5 m |
| Weight | 84.5 kg | 40 kg |
| Generation | 4 (Sinnoh) | 6 (Kalos) |
| Evolution line | Piplup → Prinplup → Empoleon | Froakie → Frogadier → Greninja |
Empoleon (#0395) is a Water/Steel-type Emperor Pokémon from Sinnoh, first seen in Generation 4, a starter Pokémon. Its evolution line is Piplup → Prinplup → Empoleon.
Greninja (#0658) is a Water/Dark-type Ninja Pokémon from Kalos, first seen in Generation 6, a starter Pokémon. Its evolution line is Froakie → Frogadier → Greninja.
Keep exploring
- Open Empoleon and Greninja in the Compare tool
- Empoleon and Greninja Pokédex pages
- Water/Steel weaknesses · Water/Dark weaknesses
- Speed tiers